Who's ever wondered about the final movement in sanseru? You know, with the turn and "chicken block". Ever wondered what it is doing?

Comments? Suggestions? Ideas?


Mick

I still think of it as the "Praying mantis" pose, not as "Chicken block". Why would you name a move after a chicken? It's a chicken...

Maybe it's just a way of scaring off opponents who are terrified of mantis' or chickens. =O

Ive been wondering mick,and asking, and looking, and researching,and IM STILL WONDERING

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Prehaps it is a joint lock, turning into a nerve strike??????

Locks and holds could be considered as breaks and dislocations which haven't been taken that far.


Mick

Maybe it's like in Bassadai. Not a seashell tho, maybe its" look I have a dead chicken, wanna make soup?"

That makes more sense to me! than what ive been told by my sensei !!!!!!!mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm thats worrying!!!

I believe that the move before that one is smacking the opponent in the face with a cloth covered in hair removing wax. The eyebrows are then stripped off the opponents face, and dangled in the air, as a trophy. This really doesn't work if you don't wear the "don't mess with me again" face.
Sorry, I'm tired, and I never did fully get over that seashell.



B

Edit: Alternatively, you could be ripping off their underwear and waving it at them.

You lot really need to start some "alternative bunkai" classes.
Would make an hilarious seminar!
Slapstic-Kan-Ryu ?

I like that one bearette

The ultimate Wedgy Move

it's a winner

OK well I was being serious (for a change LOL). Here's a hint: 立ち技逆腕関節
This is how this technique is described in my jujutsu syllabus. Except there it's in romaji (english characters) and not kanji like I've done (and hoped I haven't stuffed up) LOLOL


Mick

OK OK

It says "tachiwaza gyaku ****ansetsu".


Mick

damn filters hash out legitimate words when I'm not swearing

wan-kansetsu

Well, I don't see how we were supposed to guess! We thought that with the seashells bunkai!
OK. Here's what I got.

立ち
Stand
技
Technique
逆
Opposite, reverse
腕
Arm, skill
関節
Joints (knee joint, elbow joint, etc)

and from an Encyclopaedia of Aikido:
tachiwaza
Standing techniques
gyaku
Reverse, opposite
wan-kansetsu
Arm articulation joint (i.e.: elbow)

So I guess you haven't stuffed up at least.
Thatman was partly right? An arm lock? Bending the (someone else's, of course!) elbow backwards, while standing up? But I STILL don't get the funny hand shape.

Funny hands thing could be,? look ive had my nails done in blood red especially for u?

An arm lock!
Definately a better interpretation that the "wrist block" I heard once

OK hands up who doesn't buy the "wrist block against a punch" story?


Mick

like all kata stuff just make it up as you see it.

seeing kata is basically worthless anyway i have no problem with this. i know i know sutup fang

I wonder if the reverse armbar application for the end of sanseru will creep into the teaching or whether it will be fobbed off as not being right cos it didn't come from the top. Or maybe it will creep in but be put across as coming from the top? Or maybe they'll just stick with the block story...


Mick

In the end the bunkai for the move will probably change anyway, as with GKR's policy of changing moves in any kata from time to time.

Talking about changes. Here is one. Cat Stance (niko.......) has changed. We where told at NAS Training last night. No more pulling the toes up. Foot and Shin to be in line, toes straight on the floor, and sit lower in the stance.

Mick

On explaining the reverse arm lock theory to our rm, the look on his face was a picture, mind you having an 8 year old saying that the block theory put forward by the rm,didnt seem right to him, didnt help!!.
Id love to be a fly on the wall, when the rm goes back to his boss, and seeks out the oyo for this move in sanseru.He told sam he will find out and get back to him? we wont hold our breath though.
Sam wasnt disrespectful in any way, for an 8 yr old he put his point across with a lot of maturity.
The court is adjourned!!
We await the verdict!!!!!!!!!!!
Nigel

wish i'd been there to see that it would have been a classic :thumbgrin: . all i can say is go get them sam :thumbwink:.

He may live to regret it? he was up for grading soon!!

The RM may also live to regret it since he could be boasting about having one of the youngest BBs in GKR in a few years.


Mick

Sensei Mark (southern Aus Zone director) told me last december this was coming. Havent heard anything else about it till just then.

So - knowing the change IS coming, but not actually having been informed about it, what is an instructor to do? For a new student/ new yellow belt are we supposed to teach them the way it is now, knowing we'll have to look like a goombah in a month or two when we teach them something different?

I've never been able to pull my toes up that far anyway, so I look forward to it.

Also, I've heard that Sensei Mark will be taking a class on the 22nd down in Tasmania, so whoo. =O

Well with the big kata changes, the changes were official in other parts of the world about 3-4 months before they became official in Perth. I asked then and was told can't teach it because it wasn't official here yet. Was told to keep teaching the old way.


Mick

p.s. I taught the changes regardless.

If they're official in other parts of the world, that would mean that senseis over here would know about it, hence knowing they're known in other countries, so why can't you teach the new moves straight away?

I like your style of ignoring authority too.

mick that is terrible you didn't listen bad sensei .

I always listen. I just don't always obey

You're preaching to the choir there...

What would you consider the first sequence of moves to be?
Seems to me again to be less blocking/punching and more breaking of hold?

Our aplication for the first moves in sanseru, would be, the attacker grabs the lapels or other clothing around that region, then you break their grip, and then the short punch.Anyone else,have any thoughts?
Nigel

Could be used for gripping the wrist - 1 hand, both hands, 2 hands holding one... grip on the upper arm...


Mick

it is more likley to be a wrist grab,imo the twist before the punch loosens the person attackings grip.
Nigel

That makes some sense.
Thanks.

could the chicken block be protecting a head level punch because its sort of moving upwards with the boney part of your wrist?

Why block from underneath and push up instead of deflecting to the side? Consider also that this is a finishing move...


Mick

I thought the chicken block was also preparation for a strick. Is this right? If this is right being a finishing move it could then instead of having an application could be like preparation or guard in readiness if the attacker was to attack again.

Does this make sense to anyone?

your all wrong it is to make the higher belt look stupid in front of the lower belts, to put them at ease and let them know even higher belts look stupid at times

Mick

On explaining the reverse arm lock theory to our rm, the look on his face was a picture, mind you having an 8 year old saying that the block theory put forward by the rm,didnt seem right to him, didnt help!!.
Id love to be a fly on the wall, when the rm goes back to his boss, and seeks out the oyo for this move in sanseru.He told sam he will find out and get back to him? we wont hold our breath though.
Sam wasnt disrespectful in any way, for an 8 yr old he put his point across with a lot of maturity.
The court is adjourned!!
We await the verdict!!!!!!!!!!!
Nigel


STILL WAITING for the verdict,anyone suprised
nigel

You can strike with the back of the wrist. But it doesn't feel right to me.

Yeah good idea Nigel, don't hold your breath LOL


Mick

Once I was told that (I'm not sure how right this is and feel free to let me know if it's completely wrong. ) it could represent that you had broken your wrist and if you hold it in the chicken block position the wrist will actually sieze up and stay hard in that position. Once this occurrs you could then use the back of the wrist for a strike.

What do you think?

I dont think that fits in with the rest of the kata somehow, and seems to be clutching at straws a bit.

It doesn't really fit with the kata but it does explain the position of the wrists. Just nnot sure if it would really work and not too keen to try it out.

So is it a super-giant-wedgie, or is it clutching at straws?


Anon

oh I LIKE that one

A coordinated effort has given rise to the development of a term for the wedgie - "ura hikite pantsu"


Mick

Looks like just some trippy Serpent stance or sumthing... like what Lei off tekken would do... yeh im a computer game nerd.. AND?!