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"kata has many layers like and onion."
An excellent analogy!
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- IMHO a kata principle should not always be used in "every single kata movement", otherwise you might as well be practising basics marching up and down, and we also do not need to have so many kata. Each kata has one or more principles, some kata have overlaping principles some do not. of course there are common principles, but perhaps you have overlooked the individual principles? For example: Animal principles within a kata, many kata have animal themes, seipai = dragon, seiunchin = hawk, etc.. to group these together would be like telling a 45kg 50yr old female that she uses the same principles as a 100kg 25yr old male. If that were the case then there is no hope for a physically inferior opponent.
I may not have expressed myself clearly enough. I don't think the same principles are found in each kata movement, although a lot (such as rotating the forearm, or using particular stances) do occur in the majority of kata movements. But in addition of course, specific techniques express specific principles. Otherwise, as you say, you wouldn't need so many kata. To be honest, I actually think we don't need so many kata, the reason many of the Shorin based systems have ended up with so many is historical rather than practical. I just can't really bring myself to give any of them up.
I take your point about different strategies for different folks and I quite agree. And it may well be the case that different Goju kata do have different emphasis for different body types (I've certainly read this before). But I don't think the same can be said to the same degree for the Shorin kata.
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- if I can add another viewpoint to why karate does not move up and down. it is also to hide your movement from you opponent. Moving up and down adds to telegraphing your attack. It also reduces your stability.
I certainly can't argue with those points.
"The opening movement from Pinan Shodan (aka Heian Nidan). This involves raising both hands above the shoulders."
- I would like to also add using both hands in an upward direction enhances the power, as apposed to using one one.
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in regards to Bunkai / oyo, there are endless combinations, and it seems every person has a different view on what the technique should be. There are 3 common problems:
1. The first problem is that many people discount the obvious (doesnt sell books, seminar tickets or membership), a downward block can be just a downward block. If you need to block a front kick, use a downward block.
Indeed, that's one reason I recommend thinking of the movements as principles. Application can be simple or it can be sublime, but either way its got to work.
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2. Of course there is another 'layer' where you can use a variation, like you suggest a downward block can be a choke. however, the second problem is that many people suggest this type of variation without looking at the preceding or impending techniques. If you are choking an opponent on the ground, how did he get to the ground? was your previous technique a sweep or take down? If you deliver a fatal technique why are you still defending against the same attacker in the impending techniques.
This may again represent a difference between the Goju & Shorin kata. In the Shorin kata, attempts to link consecutive techniques usually don't work very well in my experience. My gut feel is that the (Shorin) kata's originators only intended this for a few sequences, and so the idea doesn't pertain to most of the kata. My idea is more (IMO) just to list principles A through to Z (ie. by practising kata and bunkai), so they become a part of you so that they can be called on as required.
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3. The third problem is if you have many variations for a particular technique, then you should practise your kata this way. ie. do the kata so that with minimal to no variation you can apply the technique in combat. for example, if the technique requires you to bend down to choke your opponent, then you should bend down in the kata. This means you need to perform your kata in multiple ways. For simplicity you could name them diferently 'kata 1' and 'kata 2' or 'kata sho' and 'kata dai' or 'kata gedan' and 'kata jodan'
Agreed, I have no problem with people varying a kata to some degree to emphasise applications that they prefer. Kata should not IMO be written in stone. Of course, the danger there is that you make a movement so specific that you miss all the other potential it has (because you're practising a single technique rather than a principle).
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"Muchimi, Tai sabaki, Ki, and kuzushi" - Do you apply these to principles in you kata or only two person drills? these can not be used in "every single kata movement" but must be applied to those relevant.
I don't think the kata can teach you all these things just by repeating the movements. I think you have to practice examples with a partner so that the principles become ingrained in you. In terms of applications that I prefer, most do call upon all 5 of my core principles most of the time. There are of course exceptions (like you can't stick to someone if you're throwing them away, or there are times when you simply can't blindside them) but I do find that the more core principles I can put into a technique the more easily I can make it work.
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Mike, it's a good article so i hope my reply does not come across unpleasantly.
Not at all, thanks for the feedback.
Mike