Apparently, GKR's 4th world cup dates etc have been confirmed:
Date: 2nd and 3rd June 2007
Venue: National Indoor Arena (NIA) - Birmingham, UK
Full Version: [GKR]4th World Cup
Just down the road from me! Do we have any details on entry fees etc?
How can I beat that... Can I pay in advance even if I'm not going? 
Not so far as I've heard yet, Tom, but will ask. I do know that some regions at least are organising fund raising, NOT to send the tourny team for their state, but to provide assistance for any student from the region who wishes to enter.
Region 27 rocks
Not so far as I've heard yet, Tom, but will ask. I do know that some regions at least are organising fund raising, NOT to send the tourny team for their state, but to provide assistance for any student from the region who wishes to enter.
Region 27 rocks
QUOTE (Sionnagh @ Oct 4 2006, 09:21 AM) 
Wednesday, Oct 4 2006
Rather the spectator "fee", if you like, would be simply an arm and a leg. Furthermore the club will have surgical teams on standby for those who wish to "pay" at the door in preference to booking ahead.
Rather the spectator "fee", if you like, would be simply an arm and a leg. Furthermore the club will have surgical teams on standby for those who wish to "pay" at the door in preference to booking ahead.
Can it be someone elses arm?? i.e belonging to a RM?
LMAO... Bad, bad Mick!
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Just down the road from me! Do we have any details on entry fees etc?
Last years World cup was $30 for the first event, $10 for each subsequent event.
This years Australasians is the same, so the assumption would be that costs would be similar.
QUOTE (Sionnagh @ Oct 4 2006, 11:21 AM)
Wednesday, Oct 4 2006
In an attempt to silence critics who claim the club is only interested in money and cares nothing for the product they sell, spectators would not have to part with any of their hard-earned cash for entry to the venue, it was announced yesterday. Rather the spectator "fee", if you like, would be simply an arm and a leg. Furthermore the club will have surgical teams on standby for those who wish to "pay" at the door in preference to booking ahead.
"I think this shows that we are sincerely not interested in how much cash we can generate." declared a spokesman for the management. In addition, spectator will have the option of entering the disabled events as part of their entry. "We have waived competitor fees for disabled events. It doesn't get any better than this!"
Likewise, competitors will be offered an alternative to an entry fee. Final details are not yet to hand but it was leaked late last night that competitors will only need to hand over their first-born child to the organisation, and promissory notes will be accepted.
This caused an uproar in the community as people gathered at the club's headquarters in Birmingham; not only did club representatives confirm the rumour but further enraged the crowd by refusing to accept payment before the contest date. Early reports indicated that many hundreds of people were trying to "pay" immediately. Some of those in the crowd who were interviewed denied that it was simply a case that they wanted to "pay" right away and then go off to parties or nightclubs, and generally just "have a good time".
Critics of the multinational club have claimed, however, that it is "just another example of [ the club ] doing what it can to get something for nothing and the end cost will be, as usual, put onto their members".
In an attempt to silence critics who claim the club is only interested in money and cares nothing for the product they sell, spectators would not have to part with any of their hard-earned cash for entry to the venue, it was announced yesterday. Rather the spectator "fee", if you like, would be simply an arm and a leg. Furthermore the club will have surgical teams on standby for those who wish to "pay" at the door in preference to booking ahead.
"I think this shows that we are sincerely not interested in how much cash we can generate." declared a spokesman for the management. In addition, spectator will have the option of entering the disabled events as part of their entry. "We have waived competitor fees for disabled events. It doesn't get any better than this!"
Likewise, competitors will be offered an alternative to an entry fee. Final details are not yet to hand but it was leaked late last night that competitors will only need to hand over their first-born child to the organisation, and promissory notes will be accepted.
This caused an uproar in the community as people gathered at the club's headquarters in Birmingham; not only did club representatives confirm the rumour but further enraged the crowd by refusing to accept payment before the contest date. Early reports indicated that many hundreds of people were trying to "pay" immediately. Some of those in the crowd who were interviewed denied that it was simply a case that they wanted to "pay" right away and then go off to parties or nightclubs, and generally just "have a good time".
Critics of the multinational club have claimed, however, that it is "just another example of [ the club ] doing what it can to get something for nothing and the end cost will be, as usual, put onto their members".
That's totally uncalled for.
I'm sorry I wasted some of my net time coming here to read that.
And just for your information, entry fees are quite reasonable, especially in comparison to what NAS charges.
I`m sorry you think Mick was putting GKR down Goyle. I honestly don`t think he meant anything malicious by it.
And I`ll be going to the World Cup next year, I might even compete yet, I`m not sure.
And I`ll be going to the World Cup next year, I might even compete yet, I`m not sure.
Thanks for that info Goyle.
Mick - no style bashing please.
Mick - no style bashing please.
If I was style bashing I would have named them. If anyone cares to read the "editorial" they'll find there is no mention of GKR, and so the lampoon could apply to any club in B'ham, and that is only a matter of geography.
It is, and was meant to be, an imitation of a newspaper story poking fun at an organisation.
Instead of criticising and saying prices are "reasonable" how about posting actual details "for my information"? Or perhaps the satire strikes a bit too close to home for some?
Mick
It is, and was meant to be, an imitation of a newspaper story poking fun at an organisation.
Instead of criticising and saying prices are "reasonable" how about posting actual details "for my information"? Or perhaps the satire strikes a bit too close to home for some?
Mick
Great - another fun day running a forum.
Mick - Regardless of whether a name is mentioned or not it's obvious where the comment was directed. Given that most - probably all - negative comments here are directed firmly at gkr perhaps it would be nice to keep issues to matters of fact. Thanks.
Actually - having competed in NAS I reckon it would be more fairly directed at them..... theiving b******s
Mick - Regardless of whether a name is mentioned or not it's obvious where the comment was directed. Given that most - probably all - negative comments here are directed firmly at gkr perhaps it would be nice to keep issues to matters of fact. Thanks.
Actually - having competed in NAS I reckon it would be more fairly directed at them..... theiving b******s
Slightly off-topic here..... How do NAS prices differ from startard tounament entry Fees? In the Uk, I think they`re about the same.
Imo Tournament prices are a rip off, and as much as i hate to say it normal GKR tournament prices are at a very competative rate, although i still think they are too high for what we get. Also the GKR tournys are a lot closer to home than the open tournys we have attended, and therefore i save on petrol as well.
The judging is just as bad, and thats not sour grapes, the kids always come home with stuff
i suppose at least you get trophys in the open comps, rather than medals.
Heres a couple of prices from tournys the kids have done.
Uk NAS.
First event £18
Each additional event £10
imo these prices are way over the top, and we wont be attending again
Spectators adult £7
WUMA
Kids 1st Category £10 then £8 per additional category
All Adult Competitors £15 per category
Adult Spectators: £10
SOS
First event £12
Each additinal event £8
Spectators £6
GYK
All events £10
Spectators £3
The judging is just as bad, and thats not sour grapes, the kids always come home with stuff
i suppose at least you get trophys in the open comps, rather than medals.Heres a couple of prices from tournys the kids have done.
Uk NAS.
First event £18
Each additional event £10
imo these prices are way over the top, and we wont be attending againSpectators adult £7
WUMA
Kids 1st Category £10 then £8 per additional category
All Adult Competitors £15 per category
Adult Spectators: £10
SOS
First event £12
Each additinal event £8
Spectators £6
GYK
All events £10
Spectators £3
For Info, AKF Nationals or the Australian Open the entry fee is around $100 (AUD). I have no problems with this as you have to take into account that to attract the best referees you need to help pay for airfares and accomodation. they provide their time for free but you cant expexct them to pay for hotels etc as well. Others must agree as we get get a few hundred competitors. Some may disgaree but if they dont like it they don't have to compete.
Nas Fees in Western Australia are
Entry and spectator costs:
Seniors and Juniors: 1 event $34.00
Each additional event $11.00
Late entries will incur a $10.00 fee
Spectators:
Adults: $13.00
Children: $9.00
Family: $30.00
The Nationals are usualy a bit higher
GKR is cheaper, I just dont have the rates atm. BTW Next WA Tournament is on the 11.11.06 in Landsdale.
Entry and spectator costs:
Seniors and Juniors: 1 event $34.00
Each additional event $11.00
Late entries will incur a $10.00 fee
Spectators:
Adults: $13.00
Children: $9.00
Family: $30.00
The Nationals are usualy a bit higher
GKR is cheaper, I just dont have the rates atm. BTW Next WA Tournament is on the 11.11.06 in Landsdale.
What annoys me is the prices for spectators. Ten quid Nigel?? Sheesh..I guess its either pay up or send the kids in by themselves. Considering no-one is actually paid I find it hard to justify. If quality referees are being flown in specifically then I can understand and thats a fair call, but still - $100?
One minute.....
Don`t the NAS Referees get paid? I could undersand it if it was a GKR tournament ( And this really isn`t a dig at GKR )
What about Expenses etc....
Where`s all the money going?
Don`t the NAS Referees get paid? I could undersand it if it was a GKR tournament ( And this really isn`t a dig at GKR )
What about Expenses etc....
Where`s all the money going?
My bf is a NAS referree and to the best of my knowledge he doesn't get paid it's volunteered (I haven't noticed any large bouquets of flowers or anything ) but they do some fundraising which pays for the end of year tourny, but it doesn't come from the people who run it themselves.
GKR prices tend to be more reasonable than NAS, usually $10 (i think) for the first event and $5 for each additional event for regional tournaments, they tend to be more expensive for the National Tournaments and World Cups. NAS this last round cost me $45 for two events, would have been more if I'd been able to spar. GKR here (wont speak for elsewhere cause I think the turnout is bigger) is more value too, cause you actually get to compete instead of jsut getting a trophy cause you're the only one in the division (which happened to one of our team mates more or less each canberra NAS tourny last year).
Can't be the trophies the money goes towards, NAS trophies are dodgy as heck. One of the ones I got I picked up and the little man fell off. And the ones we got this weekend all had garishly coloured blocks for the little men to stand on.
Say what you like about GKR entry fees but Goyle has a good point, in comparison to the NAS fees they're great value.
) but they do some fundraising which pays for the end of year tourny, but it doesn't come from the people who run it themselves. GKR prices tend to be more reasonable than NAS, usually $10 (i think) for the first event and $5 for each additional event for regional tournaments, they tend to be more expensive for the National Tournaments and World Cups. NAS this last round cost me $45 for two events, would have been more if I'd been able to spar. GKR here (wont speak for elsewhere cause I think the turnout is bigger) is more value too, cause you actually get to compete instead of jsut getting a trophy cause you're the only one in the division (which happened to one of our team mates more or less each canberra NAS tourny last year).
Can't be the trophies the money goes towards, NAS trophies are dodgy as heck. One of the ones I got I picked up and the little man fell off. And the ones we got this weekend all had garishly coloured blocks for the little men to stand on.
Say what you like about GKR entry fees but Goyle has a good point, in comparison to the NAS fees they're great value.
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What annoys me is the prices for spectators. Ten quid Nigel?? Sheesh..I guess its either pay up or send the kids in by themselves. Considering no-one is actually paid I find it hard to justify. If quality referees are being flown in specifically then I can understand and thats a fair call, but still - $100?
The wuma comps are well run and are monthly, with a grand champion at the end of the year for each division, check out the webby for the prices.
Yes these were the comps the kids entered in the early days, they hardly do any now, mainly due to cost, which is a shame because they love competing, having said that recently they were sponsored to enter the NAS and the GKR national Qualifiers.
http://www.wuma.uk.com/template-calendar2006.htm
Mitten - do NAS refs still have to pay an entry fee?
I notice in the next gkr tournament here instructors who arent competing or officiating have to pay spectator fee
I notice in the next gkr tournament here instructors who arent competing or officiating have to pay spectator fee
I woulda though they`d be allowed free entry....
QUOTE (WombatOneSix @ Oct 10 2006, 02:54 PM)
One minute.....
Don`t the NAS Referees get paid? I could undersand it if it was a GKR tournament ( And this really isn`t a dig at GKR )
What about Expenses etc....
Where`s all the money going?
Don`t the NAS Referees get paid? I could undersand it if it was a GKR tournament ( And this really isn`t a dig at GKR )
What about Expenses etc....
Where`s all the money going?
Think of a pyramid. Think of the money flowing all the way from the bottom to the top. Nice! for the man at the top anyway.
Mike
I don't think they have to pay an entry fee if they're helping out. And in canberra they get free lunch but that's about it I think. Travel and stuff they pay for.
QUOTE (Matt @ Oct 11 2006, 09:43 AM)
Mitten - do NAS refs still have to pay an entry fee?
I notice in the next gkr tournament here instructors who arent competing or officiating have to pay spectator fee
I notice in the next gkr tournament here instructors who arent competing or officiating have to pay spectator fee
If you ref at NAS you pay the entry fee if your competing. I don’t think you pay spectator fees.
To be fair to GKR, when we went to the 2003 world cup in the UK, I didn’t have to pay an entry fee. When I asked in which currency to pay, I was told not to worry, just hand the forms in. That helped enormously with the airfares.
GKR
"Standard" regional tournaments - $20 first event, $5 each following event. (Costs me $35 for kata / kumite / team kata / team kumite)
Australasians / 2005 World Cup - $30 first event, $10 each following event. (Costs me $60 for kata / kumite / team kata / team kumite)
NAS
State Rounds - $34 first event, $11 each following event. (Costs me $67 for kata / kumite / continuous sparring / demonstrations)
State FINALS - $45 first event, $15 each following event. (Costs me $90 for kata / kumite / continuous sparring / demonstrations)
NAS Nationals - $70 first event, $20 each following event. (Costs me $110 for kata / kumite / continuous sparring PLUS $90 for a team event, such as a demonstration or state vs state kumite)
WASO's. - As above, just add $20 to the starting point and go upwards from there.
"Standard" regional tournaments - $20 first event, $5 each following event. (Costs me $35 for kata / kumite / team kata / team kumite)
Australasians / 2005 World Cup - $30 first event, $10 each following event. (Costs me $60 for kata / kumite / team kata / team kumite)
NAS
State Rounds - $34 first event, $11 each following event. (Costs me $67 for kata / kumite / continuous sparring / demonstrations)
State FINALS - $45 first event, $15 each following event. (Costs me $90 for kata / kumite / continuous sparring / demonstrations)
NAS Nationals - $70 first event, $20 each following event. (Costs me $110 for kata / kumite / continuous sparring PLUS $90 for a team event, such as a demonstration or state vs state kumite)
WASO's. - As above, just add $20 to the starting point and go upwards from there.
Doi, for some reason I thought you were talking about the spectator's entry fee Yeah, I think the referees have to pay for the events if they enter in the actual tournament.
Yeah, I think the referees have to pay for the events if they enter in the actual tournament.
QUOTE (Matt @ Oct 11 2006, 02:43 AM)
I notice in the next gkr tournament here instructors who arent competing or officiating have to pay spectator fee
Damn, so you mean if I want to go to future tournaments I won't get away with not paying the spectator fee by borrowing a GKR jacket?! That's just not fair!!
QUOTE (bikergirl @ Oct 12 2006, 04:20 PM)
QUOTE (Matt @ Oct 11 2006, 02:43 AM)
I notice in the next gkr tournament here instructors who arent competing or officiating have to pay spectator fee
Damn, so you mean if I want to go to future tournaments I won't get away with not paying the spectator fee by borrowing a GKR jacket?! That's just not fair!!
Thats not what I was getting at, and I dont think thats a fair thing to do. For those who give their time freely for the profit of the club every week I think being able to go watch their students compete and cheer them on without costing them money isnt too much to ask.
QUOTE (Matt @ Oct 12 2006, 09:36 AM)
Thats not what I was getting at, and I dont think thats a fair thing to do. For those who give their time freely for the profit of the club every week I think being able to go watch their students compete and cheer them on without costing them money isnt too much to ask.
I'm just kidding, Matt. I think you are absolutely right, all volunteers should at least have free access to the tournaments. Even more so because a lot of students go to the tournaments because their (volunteering) instructor inspires them to do so.
Matts mental note for tomorrow - get sense of humour back.. 
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